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Best Battle Strategy
Best Battle Strategy
Best Battle Strategy
Extra Hits
Hypnotizing Music + HypoFerocious Typhoon Dash
Triple Damage
Hypnotizing Music + Berserker's Cry
Highest Raw Damage with Healing
Connection Spear
Fuuinjutsu: Life Drain
Palm Style: Art of Eternity or
Requiem of the Deceived Soul
HRDwH plus Stun and Debuff
Hypnotizing Music + Connection Spear or
Hypnotizing Music + Palm Style: Art of Eternity
What is this, I don't even.
WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH
Ultimate Taijutsu Boost
Hypnotizing Music + Berserker's Cry + WILD CRUSH
Holym FP
Flame Pillow + Blinding Streak
Still Healing
Still Waters + Requiem of the Deceived Soul
Extra Hits
Hypnotizing Music + HypoFerocious Typhoon Dash
Triple Damage
Hypnotizing Music + Berserker's Cry
Highest Raw Damage with Healing
Connection Spear
Fuuinjutsu: Life Drain
Palm Style: Art of Eternity or
Requiem of the Deceived Soul
HRDwH plus Stun and Debuff
Hypnotizing Music + Connection Spear or
Hypnotizing Music + Palm Style: Art of Eternity
What is this, I don't even.
WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH
Ultimate Taijutsu Boost
Hypnotizing Music + Berserker's Cry + WILD CRUSH
Holym FP
Flame Pillow + Blinding Streak
Still Healing
Still Waters + Requiem of the Deceived Soul
Last edited by Ocean on Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:19 pm; edited 6 times in total
Re: Best Battle Strategy
Highest Raw Damage with Healing
Connection Spear
Fuuinjutsu: Life Drain
Palm Style: Art of Eternity or
Requiem of the Deceived Soul
HRDwH plus Stun and Debuff
Hypnotizing Music + Connection Spear or
Hypnotizing Music + Palm Style: Art of Eternity
What is this, I don't even.
WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH
Connection Spear
Fuuinjutsu: Life Drain
Palm Style: Art of Eternity or
Requiem of the Deceived Soul
HRDwH plus Stun and Debuff
Hypnotizing Music + Connection Spear or
Hypnotizing Music + Palm Style: Art of Eternity
What is this, I don't even.
WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH + WILD CRUSH
Marisa =- Guest
Re: Best Battle Strategy
Meh,WildCrush is now beast.
Marshal- Special-jounin lvl 2
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Join date : 2009-01-03
Re: Best Battle Strategy
found an easy one for you, Holy's FP + Stun = Death. I don't know if he used BS or MB, but it was a stunning jutsu with a high stun rate and lasted 3 turns. with his residual damage eating away at you, and you unable to attack, you'll die eventually only question is when.
Yokofox88- Academic Student
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Re: Best Battle Strategy
I guess it was Deadly Mist,he's been using,although we should wait until Zane lowers stun durations as he said he will for damage dealer+stun jutsus.
Marshal- Special-jounin lvl 2
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Join date : 2009-01-03
Re: Best Battle Strategy
I doubt,unless it's FP or some other bloodline jutsus,like EF and so.
Marshal- Special-jounin lvl 2
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Join date : 2009-01-03
Re: Best Battle Strategy
Extra Hits
Battle summary
Round 1:
Ocean captures KA0Z in his genjutsu. KA0Z is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
KA0Z\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 116817 water damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z infuses his chakra into a harp and begins playing it. Ocean is mesmerized in the soothing sound it makes, slowly, he drifts into an unconscious state
Ocean will be stunned for 2 rounds
Ocean\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Round 2:
Ocean Is stunned and cannot move
Taijutsu defense was reduced by 74522.7
Weapon defense was reduced by 73055.1
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z swallows a rare enhancing pill. his muscles painfully enlarge, providing greater raw power. Advancing towards Ocean, KA0Z uses his improved strength to deal an overwhelming combination of bone-crushing blows
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 2 rounds
KA0Z\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 3 rounds
Deals 100731 damage
Willpower was reduced by 25757.886
Round 3:
Ocean Is stunned and cannot move
Loses 15150.0606 health from residual wind damage
Taijutsu defense was reduced by 74522.7
Weapon defense was reduced by 73055.1
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z calls upon the power of the wind element, attacking Ocean with the intensity and speed of a typhoon, KA0Z\'s blows leave behind painful lacerations
Ocean will receive residual damage for 1 rounds
Deals 116497 wind damage
Willpower was reduced by 25757.886
Taijutsu offense was increased by 103896.9
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40200
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 48742.5
Weapon defense was reduced by 24240.6
Round 4:
Ocean bends KA0Z\'s will to do his bidding. Deeply immersed in the illusion, KA0Z believes someone he loves is dying, and willingly gives away some of his life force to Ocean
Deals 153914 damage
Heals 17762.35916 health
Loses 15150.0606 health from residual wind damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z calls upon the power of the wind element, attacking Ocean with the intensity and speed of a typhoon, KA0Z\'s blows leave behind painful lacerations
Ocean will receive residual damage for 2 rounds
Deals 115278 wind damage
Taijutsu offense was increased by 103896.9
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40200
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 48742.5
Weapon defense was reduced by 24240.6
Round 5:
Ocean bends KA0Z\'s will to do his bidding. Deeply immersed in the illusion, KA0Z believes someone he loves is dying, and willingly gives away some of his life force to Ocean
Deals 138738 damage
Heals 16011.14116 health
Loses 30300.1212 health from residual wind damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z calls upon the power of the wind element, attacking Ocean with the intensity and speed of a typhoon, KA0Z\'s blows leave behind painful lacerations
Ocean will receive residual damage for 2 rounds
Deals 64670 wind damage
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40200
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 48742.5
Weapon defense was reduced by 24240.6
Round 6:
Ocean bends KA0Z\'s will to do his bidding. Deeply immersed in the illusion, KA0Z believes someone he loves is dying, and willingly gives away some of his life force to Ocean
Deals 121272 damage
Heals 13995.40436 health
Loses 15150.0606 health from residual wind damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z concentrates chakra in his palms. Then, he strikes Ocean in a fluid motion, hitting different vital spots in order to heal with each strike
Deals 73045 damage
Heals 6798.67876 health
Battle summary
Round 1:
Ocean captures KA0Z in his genjutsu. KA0Z is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
KA0Z\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 116817 water damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z infuses his chakra into a harp and begins playing it. Ocean is mesmerized in the soothing sound it makes, slowly, he drifts into an unconscious state
Ocean will be stunned for 2 rounds
Ocean\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Round 2:
Ocean Is stunned and cannot move
Taijutsu defense was reduced by 74522.7
Weapon defense was reduced by 73055.1
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z swallows a rare enhancing pill. his muscles painfully enlarge, providing greater raw power. Advancing towards Ocean, KA0Z uses his improved strength to deal an overwhelming combination of bone-crushing blows
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 2 rounds
KA0Z\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 3 rounds
Deals 100731 damage
Willpower was reduced by 25757.886
Round 3:
Ocean Is stunned and cannot move
Loses 15150.0606 health from residual wind damage
Taijutsu defense was reduced by 74522.7
Weapon defense was reduced by 73055.1
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z calls upon the power of the wind element, attacking Ocean with the intensity and speed of a typhoon, KA0Z\'s blows leave behind painful lacerations
Ocean will receive residual damage for 1 rounds
Deals 116497 wind damage
Willpower was reduced by 25757.886
Taijutsu offense was increased by 103896.9
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40200
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 48742.5
Weapon defense was reduced by 24240.6
Round 4:
Ocean bends KA0Z\'s will to do his bidding. Deeply immersed in the illusion, KA0Z believes someone he loves is dying, and willingly gives away some of his life force to Ocean
Deals 153914 damage
Heals 17762.35916 health
Loses 15150.0606 health from residual wind damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z calls upon the power of the wind element, attacking Ocean with the intensity and speed of a typhoon, KA0Z\'s blows leave behind painful lacerations
Ocean will receive residual damage for 2 rounds
Deals 115278 wind damage
Taijutsu offense was increased by 103896.9
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40200
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 48742.5
Weapon defense was reduced by 24240.6
Round 5:
Ocean bends KA0Z\'s will to do his bidding. Deeply immersed in the illusion, KA0Z believes someone he loves is dying, and willingly gives away some of his life force to Ocean
Deals 138738 damage
Heals 16011.14116 health
Loses 30300.1212 health from residual wind damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z calls upon the power of the wind element, attacking Ocean with the intensity and speed of a typhoon, KA0Z\'s blows leave behind painful lacerations
Ocean will receive residual damage for 2 rounds
Deals 64670 wind damage
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40200
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 48742.5
Weapon defense was reduced by 24240.6
Round 6:
Ocean bends KA0Z\'s will to do his bidding. Deeply immersed in the illusion, KA0Z believes someone he loves is dying, and willingly gives away some of his life force to Ocean
Deals 121272 damage
Heals 13995.40436 health
Loses 15150.0606 health from residual wind damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
KA0Z concentrates chakra in his palms. Then, he strikes Ocean in a fluid motion, hitting different vital spots in order to heal with each strike
Deals 73045 damage
Heals 6798.67876 health
Re: Best Battle Strategy
How did you manage to outdamage KA0Z? He has like 200k nin/gen defense,meh.
By the way,was it WildCrush which boosted his offensives but lowered other defenses?
By the way,was it WildCrush which boosted his offensives but lowered other defenses?
Marshal- Special-jounin lvl 2
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Join date : 2009-01-03
Re: Best Battle Strategy
i think his gen def > nin def o.o
all boosting n lowering was shown in the battle log o.o
all boosting n lowering was shown in the battle log o.o
Re: Best Battle Strategy
Ka0z has about 200k in both Nin/Gen.
Also Ocean has what about 500k Tai defence? So it really isn't to hard for him to out damage Kaoz.
Also Ocean has what about 500k Tai defence? So it really isn't to hard for him to out damage Kaoz.
;/- Guest
Re: Best Battle Strategy
He'd have been much better off spamming WC.
Needless to say that to Ocean's 500k (at least) taijutsu defense, he'd be doomed regardless, though =w=;
Needless to say that to Ocean's 500k (at least) taijutsu defense, he'd be doomed regardless, though =w=;
Marisa =- Guest
Re: Best Battle Strategy
Ah =w=;
Might as well have a WotG user do the job next time instead of estimating from other jutsu
Might as well have a WotG user do the job next time instead of estimating from other jutsu
Marisa =- Guest
Re: Best Battle Strategy
BR reduces wp directly ....coolz ....tag it
Battle summary
Round 1:
Ocean captures zaney in his genjutsu. zaney is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
zaney\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 129889 water damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
zaney captures Ocean in his genjutsu. Ocean is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
Ocean\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 118433 water damage
Round 2:
Ocean captures zaney in his genjutsu. zaney is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
zaney\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 117794 water damage
Willpower was reduced by 30600
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
zaney calls forth the power of his ancestors, who trap Ocean in visions of violent bloodshed
Deals 123732 damage
Willpower was reduced by 25962.213
Round 3:
Ocean captures zaney in his genjutsu. zaney is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
zaney\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 3 rounds
Deals 118080 water damage
Willpower was reduced by 30600
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
zaney calls forth the power of his ancestors, who trap Ocean in visions of violent bloodshed
Deals 121755 damage
Willpower was reduced by 25962.213
Willpower was reduced by 19341.848685
Round 4:
Ocean captures zaney in his genjutsu. zaney is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
zaney\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 3 rounds
Deals 136148 water damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
zaney captures Ocean in his genjutsu. Ocean is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
Ocean\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 3 rounds
Deals 101491 water damage
Willpower was reduced by 25962.213
Willpower was reduced by 19341.848685
Battle summary
Round 1:
Ocean captures zaney in his genjutsu. zaney is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
zaney\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 129889 water damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
zaney captures Ocean in his genjutsu. Ocean is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
Ocean\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 118433 water damage
Round 2:
Ocean captures zaney in his genjutsu. zaney is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
zaney\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 117794 water damage
Willpower was reduced by 30600
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
zaney calls forth the power of his ancestors, who trap Ocean in visions of violent bloodshed
Deals 123732 damage
Willpower was reduced by 25962.213
Round 3:
Ocean captures zaney in his genjutsu. zaney is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
zaney\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 3 rounds
Deals 118080 water damage
Willpower was reduced by 30600
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
zaney calls forth the power of his ancestors, who trap Ocean in visions of violent bloodshed
Deals 121755 damage
Willpower was reduced by 25962.213
Willpower was reduced by 19341.848685
Round 4:
Ocean captures zaney in his genjutsu. zaney is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
zaney\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 3 rounds
Deals 136148 water damage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
zaney captures Ocean in his genjutsu. Ocean is led to believe he is drowning under cold, still water, while surrounded by the corpses of his friends and relatives
Ocean\'s willpower will be decreased each round during the next 3 rounds
Deals 101491 water damage
Willpower was reduced by 25962.213
Willpower was reduced by 19341.848685
Re: Best Battle Strategy
it is hidden effect ... with some imagination, u can get that or it worths no point to post this log o.o
if u r free, go to test it
if u r free, go to test it
Re: Best Battle Strategy
You hit too hard T____T I would join Shroud, but I can't stand ALOT of the people there and I have a cool anbu lol.
Jmoss- Guest
Re: Best Battle Strategy
Round 1:
KA0Z creates a dreadful outcome to the battle inside his head. he forcefully activates his adrenaline to improve his performance
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 3 rounds
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ocean uses advanced illusion techniques to make KA0Z believe he can\'t use his bloodline properly. Taking advantage of KA0Z\'s panic, Ocean severs many neurons with surgical chakra control
Deals 154216 damage
Round 2:
KA0Z swallows a rare enhancing pill. his muscles painfully enlarge, providing greater raw power. Advancing towards Ocean, KA0Z uses his improved strength to deal an overwhelming combination of bone-crushing blows
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 3 rounds
KA0Z\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 146193 damage
Taijutsu offense was increased by 290800
Weapon offense was increased by 55
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ocean uses advanced illusion techniques to make KA0Z believe he can\'t use his bloodline properly. Taking advantage of KA0Z\'s panic, Ocean severs many neurons with surgical chakra control
Deals 159561 damage
Round 3:
KA0Z swallows a rare enhancing pill. his muscles painfully enlarge, providing greater raw power. Advancing towards Ocean, KA0Z uses his improved strength to deal an overwhelming combination of bone-crushing blows
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 3 rounds
KA0Z\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 191005 damage
Taijutsu offense was increased by 290800
Weapon offense was increased by 55
Taijutsu offense was increased by 175352.4
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40240.2
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 62551.2
Weapon defense was reduced by 29627.4
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ocean uses advanced illusion techniques to make KA0Z believe he can\'t use his bloodline properly. Taking advantage of KA0Z\'s panic, Ocean severs many neurons with surgical chakra control
Deals 181695 damage
Round 4:
KA0Z swallows a rare enhancing pill. his muscles painfully enlarge, providing greater raw power. Advancing towards Ocean, KA0Z uses his improved strength to deal an overwhelming combination of bone-crushing blows
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 3 rounds
KA0Z\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 208194 damage
Taijutsu offense was increased by 290800
Weapon offense was increased by 55
Taijutsu offense was increased by 175352.4
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40240.2
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 62551.2
Weapon defense was reduced by 29627.4
Taijutsu offense was increased by 210598.2
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 32151.9
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 49978.4
Weapon defense was reduced by 23672.3
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ocean bends KA0Z\'s will to do his bidding. Deeply immersed in the illusion, KA0Z believes someone he loves is dying, and willingly gives away some of his life force to Ocean.
Deals 182195 damage
Heals 5926.47194 health
KA0Z creates a dreadful outcome to the battle inside his head. he forcefully activates his adrenaline to improve his performance
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 3 rounds
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ocean uses advanced illusion techniques to make KA0Z believe he can\'t use his bloodline properly. Taking advantage of KA0Z\'s panic, Ocean severs many neurons with surgical chakra control
Deals 154216 damage
Round 2:
KA0Z swallows a rare enhancing pill. his muscles painfully enlarge, providing greater raw power. Advancing towards Ocean, KA0Z uses his improved strength to deal an overwhelming combination of bone-crushing blows
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 3 rounds
KA0Z\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 146193 damage
Taijutsu offense was increased by 290800
Weapon offense was increased by 55
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ocean uses advanced illusion techniques to make KA0Z believe he can\'t use his bloodline properly. Taking advantage of KA0Z\'s panic, Ocean severs many neurons with surgical chakra control
Deals 159561 damage
Round 3:
KA0Z swallows a rare enhancing pill. his muscles painfully enlarge, providing greater raw power. Advancing towards Ocean, KA0Z uses his improved strength to deal an overwhelming combination of bone-crushing blows
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 3 rounds
KA0Z\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 191005 damage
Taijutsu offense was increased by 290800
Weapon offense was increased by 55
Taijutsu offense was increased by 175352.4
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40240.2
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 62551.2
Weapon defense was reduced by 29627.4
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ocean uses advanced illusion techniques to make KA0Z believe he can\'t use his bloodline properly. Taking advantage of KA0Z\'s panic, Ocean severs many neurons with surgical chakra control
Deals 181695 damage
Round 4:
KA0Z swallows a rare enhancing pill. his muscles painfully enlarge, providing greater raw power. Advancing towards Ocean, KA0Z uses his improved strength to deal an overwhelming combination of bone-crushing blows
KA0Z\'s offenses will be increased each round during the next 3 rounds
KA0Z\'s defenses will be decreased each round during the next 2 rounds
Deals 208194 damage
Taijutsu offense was increased by 290800
Weapon offense was increased by 55
Taijutsu offense was increased by 175352.4
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 40240.2
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 62551.2
Weapon defense was reduced by 29627.4
Taijutsu offense was increased by 210598.2
Ninjutsu defense was reduced by 32151.9
Genjutsu defense was reduced by 49978.4
Weapon defense was reduced by 23672.3
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ocean bends KA0Z\'s will to do his bidding. Deeply immersed in the illusion, KA0Z believes someone he loves is dying, and willingly gives away some of his life force to Ocean.
Deals 182195 damage
Heals 5926.47194 health
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